Summary
Iconic TV that left us all feeling a bit lost… Jon talks about his love of the show and Nick clearly never paid attention cuz he doesn’t remember a thing.
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Transcription
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Nick
It wasn’t satisfying to watch because you never got any kind of resolution. It was just more question. Yeah, well, which is why I gave up. Yeah, but I think I gave it.
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Jon
You gave up like after forever. So.
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Nick
Yeah. When did the smoke appear?
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Jon
Episode one.
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Nick
Oh, I was around that. Yeah. Know.
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Jon
Hello and welcome to Incomplete Geeks, a Gay Geek podcast where we explore many different victims. Sometimes we’re experts and sometimes our knowledge is.
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Nick
A bit incomplete.
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Jon
Indeed, Yes. This is episode 32. I am your host, John. I will smoke your monster. And over there is your host, Nick, who’s got a hatch of his own you can explore today. We were talking about.
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Nick
The TV show Lost. I was going to do two things. One was just like.
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Jon
Oh, I’m very sad that this episode is not episode four 815 or 16 or 23 for a lot.
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Nick
Of different numbers. It could have been, you.
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Jon
Know, I don’t want to be told. So. 42.
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Nick
Is that an important number now.
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Jon
For 815 2342 Yes, you’re 4240.
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Nick
Two but.
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Jon
Okay. And I’m 23, so it makes perfect sense.
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Nick
At least emotionally. Yeah.
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Jon
Yeah. So we’re talking about loss.
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Nick
We’re going to talk about loss because you’ve been talking about it like you wanted to do an episode on it for ages. Yeah, it’s a good it’s a good geek term. It was a very pivotal point in our millennial lives.
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Jon
Yeah.
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Nick
Yes, I am not a fan. I don’t remember much of it. Mm hmm. I’m wondering if it’s actually gay at all. It feels very heterosexual. Yeah. You get into that. Very strange.
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Jon
Do it. The spoiler answer and let’s explore it later. It’s super straight. It’s nothing at all.
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Nick
It’s gay. All. Not even the gay nestled in the gay.
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Jon
What is the gayness of it? So there isn’t any.
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Nick
Yeah, but like, it doesn’t necessarily have to have gay characters, you know, to be gay, Right?
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Jon
True.
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Nick
That’s the fourth. But it feels like it’s very much written for the straights. The straights rather than the queers. The civil rights so.
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Jon
Straight you had to say it twice.
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Nick
Straight. So this is my very limited experience or memories of Lost don’t, which may not be accurate, but I remember Lost came out in.
00:02:40:09 – 00:02:42:16
Jon
2004.
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Nick
Which was roughly the same time Gray’s Anatomy came out.
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Jon
And that show is still on, isn’t it? Yeah.
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Nick
It’s still so go in air quotes. Strong. I remember cause I just moved to London and I think Gray’s used that as part of its advertising campaign, was like movie was then lost. Oh, really? Yeah. Interestingly, until like, a couple of years ago, Gray’s Anatomy didn’t have gay men characters in it. Really dumb. So that.
00:03:12:17 – 00:03:32:19
Jon
Is gay. I’m so upset with TV in this regard because it seems like unless. Did it really. Yeah. To deny it. Yeah. T.R. Knight, T.K. Knight, T.J. Max was something. One of the two. I’m sorry if you’re listening, but like every TV show that isn’t about being gay has zero gay characters. Unless they shoehorn something.
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Nick
Yeah, when.
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Jon
I’m over generalizing a little bit, but prove me wrong.
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Nick
They have gays. I think there’s gays in it now. I’m pretty sure it’s played by hot straight guys. Oh, so that it’s very, very palatable. Gay.
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Jon
But possible. Again, it’s like.
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Nick
Hey, we’re gay, but like we’re ripped and yeah and we don’t about.
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Jon
Or like you say, it happens with comic books. It’s like we are gay. Wait, we’re just bisexual. Let me find a straight person to make out with.
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Nick
Yeah.
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Jon
Anyway, so.
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Nick
Anyway, yes. So that’s kind of like I, you know, and I love Grace, like, I was obsessed with that up until season 1011, when Christina left. So I kind of chose which big kind of big drama series I was going to get behind. Yeah. And it was not lost.
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Jon
It was not lost on you.
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Nick
Stop. Oh, oh. Irony is not lost on me.
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Jon
I kind of have always been a sucker for that crazy big concept sci fi adjacent fantasy things. And that goes back to like when when I was opposed. So I had a look at that. I was like, And when I was exposed to shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, all that kind of like otherworldly worldliness of the shows.
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Jon
And I didn’t watch the first season when it came out. I was aware of it. And 2004 is the first year that I came to London and and then the year after that, I think I was I forget who introduced me to it, but I was told to watch it and I watched the episode the first season, like pretty much straight through.
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Jon
It probably was the person I was seeing at the time. And then we watched like it became one of the shows we watched together.
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Nick
Oh, that’s nice. Yeah.
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Jon
And then I kind of was obsessed with it. Like season two still is probably my favorite season. It’s only six seasons long series before we go to much further, should we say spoilers? Because I thought maybe we could talk about non spoilery things first, but it is a show that existed 20 years ago.
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Nick
Two years old. I think we’re fine. I think everybody knows the big twists.
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Jon
The big two. No, don’t say it. Do not say it. No, no, that’s definitely on my list of things to talk about. We’re getting to that point. Please. This is one of the reasons I want to talk about this episode is because people who think that I’m going to set the record straight, if anybody who hasn’t wants to religiously, it’s such a it’s such a good show.
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Nick
Was it good for its entirety? Boy, did you love the start of it. And then you were like, it finished and you kind of forgave like the second half of it for being a bit shite?
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Jon
I think both are true in different degrees. You could say the same thing about Game of Thrones, where the show was so good. The first.
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Nick
Four. Exactly.
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Jon
And then it kind of started to go down a bit.
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Nick
And sixth.
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Jon
I think Lost still kept up its quality if it got a few things wrong. I don’t love every aspect of the show. There are certain things I really hate about it. Like, for example, the religious imagery that keeps popping up and certain elements of it on the. On the other hand, I really do like the difference between like the science versus faith discussion.
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Jon
That happens as a subtext between your characters of Jack and Locke.
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Nick
Okay.
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Jon
But we’re getting ahead of us. We’re going to have ourselves. I so needless to say, it’s not my faith, It’s not everything was perfect about it, but it’s still a really high quality show.
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Nick
So 15 words or less, How would you summarize that show?
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Jon
You mean plot wise or.
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Nick
In the blurb with.
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Jon
The blurb of the show? Oh, okay. Are you keeping track of the number of words? Here we go. Plane crash survivors.
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Nick
In compression where I don’t.
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Jon
Have to move over to plane crash survivors encounter various mysteries and dangerous figures on a South Pacific island sex scene.
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Nick
That makes it unsexy than it actually is.
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Jon
That’s pretty much the gist of it. The whole concept of the show like, is that good segway into my first point, The whole premise of the show was so it was so good because it’s on the surface just a like plane crash survivors on a deserted island. Then as you watched even the first episode, it’s like it’s a premise is this thing that we all understand plane crashes and then, oh, wait, there’s a flying smoke monster.
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Jon
In the first episode. There’s mysterious people on the island who don’t see. They come to like, abducts, maybe kill some of the survivors they call the others. There’s a fucking polar bear like this. All these mysteries are opened on the very first episode that draws you in and makes you wanna watch more.
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Nick
Do you think the concept of the show was really popular? Because the people in a similar way to like zombie apocalypse, getting trapped on a desert island is kind of a stereotypical privileged white person fantasy. Let me explain.
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Jon
Please. Dukes I don’t know. We’re talking about.
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Nick
How I think a lot of privilege straight guys could get kind of caught up in the idea of like how they would survive on a desert island and how they would survive the zombie apocalypse. Okay, kind of. It’s an enticing concept that if you do this impossible, horrible thing that we talk about, like stranded on desert island, you know, and you see these characters who are teachers or criminals or whatever, just plain old people stepping up and going back to their life.
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Nick
He built that. And he’s actually a sharpshooter. Right. And it gives kind of these like men a chance to be like, get a kick out of that kind of kind of, you know, to me, the same way like the whole world.
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Jon
Sees me.
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Nick
And there’s loads of people like zombies break out and the whole world and and there are so many straight guys who think like, yeah, I get a crossbow and I’d be that guy.
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Jon
I never thought of that because I don’t know. But it is this kind of a thing.
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Nick
It’s such a fantasy to see how if you have lots of things to kind of fantasize about how you would survive without them.
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Jon
I totally get what you’re saying as a as a trope, but I don’t see that in this show. I think there’s like a one.
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Nick
That’s not that’s not the show. That’s that’s the audience that one of the audience responded to it so well. So it’s like gays and girls, like soap operas and dramas because they get caught up in the romance shows like that and Walking Dead Straight people get caught up in that. The fantasy that like, Yeah, but can kill everyone, like that kind of thing.
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Nick
The same reason they liked Voltaire Breaking Bad dude, because they go to a fucking drug dealer.
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Jon
Yeah, do that.
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Nick
Like fucking do it.
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Jon
About sort of some of the unbelievable things.
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Nick
I watched that. That. But as I said, that drink, I don’t know. It’s just.
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Jon
I mean, like, I can get. I get it. As you watch the show.
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Nick
Though, right, people. Right. I’m not listening. There’s none listening. But if you know a straight person.
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Jon
Don’t who likes.
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Nick
Stop it, Stop it now.
00:11:01:03 – 00:11:06:13
Jon
If you know a straight person who has watched the show lost and loves it, ask them why. Let us know.
00:11:06:14 – 00:11:13:08
Nick
And do they kind of like jerk off at the thought of like how they’d be badass on a desert island? I feel like it’s a thing.
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Jon
Like you want it to be a thing.
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Nick
So I’m not sure which we can cut out. If you knew you were going to be stranded on Desert Island, do you pack to survive an escape? Oh, or to go out in a blaze of fucking glory? Like wind down, get drunk, take drugs, wait for the end.
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Jon
Oh, I’d probably do that.
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Nick
Yeah, right. Because, like, I would. I think it’s about age. Maybe I just a 20 something year old, just like, trying to survive. It’s like, Yeah, I’ve already done 20 years. I do. Good. I’ll just win this out. I mean.
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Jon
Like, you can, you can still do things to, like, increase your chances of being rescued, but I’m not going to try to.
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Nick
Focus on that. I’m not going to. Can I see land now? If I get.
00:11:58:09 – 00:12:06:06
Jon
Then I’ll draw a big help in the sand with rocks or something and then just spend my days. I might catch fish, but I’m going like pack to be like, whatever.
00:12:06:06 – 00:12:10:10
Nick
And no, I’m not going to again. We need to talk now, but I just think.
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Jon
We have to have batteries and bottled water.
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Nick
We’ll just die sooner or later.
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Jon
I mean, bottled water, I think. Yeah, but if you could choose the way that you want to do that, you die. Do you want to die of starvation or like dehydration.
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Nick
Which would makes you crazy?
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Jon
Frostbite.
00:12:27:19 – 00:12:31:02
Nick
Everything would get undesired sunstroke. Like a.
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Jon
Sunstroke. Yeah, you could be sunstroke. Yeah.
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Nick
And if you’ve got, like, some booze or some drugs, just go full in and just die. Take some mushrooms and you die. Caroline. No, you can’t. Anyway. Sorry. That’s right. That’s where my brain went with this. So lost. They crash. You are like. You like.
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Jon
That’s an episode as well. I think that’s a Hurley episode because I goes to a he’s, he’s gone a bit crazy and he finds a cliff which never appears elsewhere in the series and then gets talked down by Libby. Anyway. It’s a good episode.
00:13:05:04 – 00:13:05:19
Nick
He’s living.
00:13:06:02 – 00:13:10:04
Jon
Exactly. She’s one of the tallies. She gets killed off way too soon.
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Nick
The telly.
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Jon
The tail section of the plane that they discover in season two.
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Nick
Mm. Mm hmm.
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Jon
I have thoughts about them already.
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Nick
Tired.
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Jon
Oh, my gosh. You shouldn’t be. It’s so good. It’s so like. Okay, the one thing about this show that. That did really, really well is that there’s fucking twists on every episode. There’s some kind of twist.
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Nick
Like, See, I found that to be a bad thing because all they did was just keep introducing bullshit twist that you didn’t get any kind of resolution from it. I’m like, Oh, there’s a pole about, Oh, there’s smoke. Oh, it’s the thing that’s like, Give me on set or something. Yeah, it just kept adding on and off. So that’s why I gave it really fucking early.
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Jon
So that’s, that’s a valid point because sometimes they don’t. The one of the reasons that the finale was so despised was because it is a show that’s based on setting up all these mysteries and, and didn’t care about problems and sci fi stuff and doesn’t explain them all. And we’ll get to that as well. But some of the twists are because of that.
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Jon
Okay. So as you know, you’ve watched a few episodes that that’s the nature of the show is basically you focus on one character and flashback to some to their life before they got on the plane.
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Nick
Throughout, which is season one.
00:14:25:07 – 00:14:53:17
Jon
They do that throughout. But asterisk, they do do that right? Every episode focuses on a character with a very few rare exceptions, and they look at what they did, and those kind of flashbacks also provide twists to the kind of person they are like, why they’re there kind of thing. Yeah, which might serve to better understand the character, which I really like, or it might serve to, you know, add to the mythology of the show, which, you know, if it doesn’t pay off in the end or not, we’ll see.
00:14:54:03 – 00:15:18:12
Jon
But the wheat like Lost was such a good show because of the legacy it left behind. I mean, that whole concept of focusing on a character per episode. Yeah. Is everywhere. Like you, like the two of the producers on this show went on to make Once Upon a Time another ABC show, and they basically did that, you know, And then that’s just one example.
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Nick
Because, you know, everything.
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Jon
Else itself has sort of been no more.
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Nick
But no, that’s yet to define. And it was one of the first shows that I think the whole purpose of the show was getting an answer, getting the ending. Yeah, you know, we love Buffy, but Buffy wasn’t all about the ending.
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Jon
No, Buffy.
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Nick
Was the.
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Jon
The journey to stop.
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Nick
And loss was unique in that. From episode one. Yeah. Like, what’s the ending? What’s happening? What’s going on? That’s pretty much.
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Jon
What’s going on.
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Nick
Possible ending.
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Jon
I think there’s this.
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Nick
Mystery, and that’s the first time.
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Jon
Yeah.
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Nick
Think of maybe.
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Jon
The I think it’s the first episode, the pilot episode, which where one of the characters literally says, Guys, why are we It was Charlie, the one who was in the wings. So that’s the whole.
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Nick
Purpose of that.
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Jon
And we’re going to have the first one apparently the same. Really?
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Nick
Yeah.
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Jon
There were rumors that he was the he and his Pippin counterpart were.
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Nick
Yeah.
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Jon
Yeah. Okay. Anyway, anyway, yeah. Oh, and also it was like it’s a concept show. So like, yes, this very big concept that’s.
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Nick
That’s much more an elegant way of saying what I was trying to say. It’s like building up to this thing. And yeah, it’s a very specific concepts. Yeah. Teenagers in the iPhone of people in a hospital.
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Jon
It’s Yeah.
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Nick
Very.
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Jon
Mysterious island with weird things happening on it.
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Nick
What the fuck. Yeah. And the premise of it.
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Jon
And regarding the twist as well, every time you might, you think you get an answer to something, it still opens up like two or three other mysteries. You’re like, Well, hang on. If that’s who that is, then what the fuck was he doing there? Or like, what was that connection here? And it did that really well where it just kind of kept you watching.
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Jon
And it’s I think it was one of the first shows where people really sort of contributed. They took part. And in talking about the mysteries online, having theories and what’s.
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Nick
The Internet like back.
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Jon
Then? I don’t know. But I think it was there wasn’t very many shows like that before people really got sucked into what the fuck is happening, social media? Because I don’t know. I’m old.
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Nick
Fashioned for I don’t know if we did It doesn’t.
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Jon
For.
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Nick
Facebook was.
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Jon
New, Facebook was new.
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Nick
If it was around in 2004. Yeah, if at all. It’s 2005. So because it was.
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Jon
It came out the thing you that I came to London.
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Nick
What Facebook all last night.
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Jon
Oh that’s a complete lie. Now I first came to London in 2007.
00:18:01:23 – 00:18:06:00
Nick
I was going to say, you didn’t beat me. I was here in 2005.
00:18:06:00 – 00:18:11:07
Jon
And I remember being on Facebook in college, like creating an account and saying my.
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Nick
And I was not. And that would have been really helpful just for it to say, like voice, which I know is the whole, the whole point of the fucking bathroom in the first place. 2004.
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Jon
Was when loss came out.
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Nick
Yeah. Was when Facebook.
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Jon
Oh it was the same year but founded. Right. Okay.
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Nick
Maybe probably wasn’t quite as widespread. Yeah. So where you know chat rooms like I.
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Jon
Guess.
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Nick
Reddit kind of style stuff forums is.
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Jon
Kind of. Yeah.
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Nick
Buffy forums. So there would have been a.
00:18:44:05 – 00:19:07:03
Jon
Yeah, there definitely was. The Lost Forum, which is called the fuselage is, was a very large sort of gathering. I was on it very briefly because I kind of was scared about, you know, how many people were just sort of talking about it and I couldn’t keep up. So I was like, Hi by. But it was a community where people will discuss theories and like, you know, similar to Reddit, exactly like you said.
00:19:07:03 – 00:19:24:03
Jon
Yeah. So the fact is like different than how you binge watched shows. Like back then when it came out, you like we did with Game of Thrones. When it came out, every single episode was like you had a week, sometimes more, to talk about it, to discuss, to digest what happened. And you know, you got really caught up in it.
00:19:24:03 – 00:19:33:09
Jon
So instead of binging shows like we do nowadays, where you watch a series in like two or three days, if you really wanted to, you had to stick with the show for years. If you were into.
00:19:33:09 – 00:19:38:14
Nick
It like it was difficult enough watching one division all the way through to the end every week.
00:19:38:15 – 00:19:39:10
Jon
But yeah.
00:19:39:23 – 00:19:44:07
Nick
Yeah, it but six goddamn years to find out the end.
00:19:44:07 – 00:19:55:05
Jon
Yeah. Imagine if we had the things we do now that we imagine if we had the things we have now back then, like EPS of EPS, a breakdown. So like. Oh, did you see this bit here?
00:19:55:11 – 00:20:14:04
Nick
Oh, I got the Easter eggs on the edge. It would have been or. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yes, they probably got called out. Like, what do you mean? The scrutiny that people have to create shadows under now because people count them. Yes. They have to worry about it. Well.
00:20:14:11 – 00:20:40:10
Jon
It’s a good point, because it at the time ABC studios, which I think they were called, I think halfway through the show, they they became ABC. I remember seeing like ABC Studios production suddenly at the bottom of the credits in the beginning of the show, which I always watch, and I was like, Oh, that’s a new thing. Is that because of this show, because loss was so commercially successful the first couple of years that they wanted to keep going and the writers and creators, including J.J. Abrams?
00:20:40:10 – 00:20:41:06
Jon
Damon Lindelof.
00:20:41:16 – 00:20:45:00
Nick
I knew there was isn’t there was no like a geeky guy at the height of.
00:20:45:00 – 00:20:53:04
Jon
It. Carlton Cuse Did it. Oh, you mean James is the one? Yeah, he left after like two, three seasons, whatever. I gave it to.
00:20:53:09 – 00:20:55:07
Nick
Damon Lindelof Is that when, I mean.
00:20:56:05 – 00:21:07:03
Jon
He’s got I have issues with him, but he’s I watched, I watch an interview he did like years later where he was talking about The Leftovers, which is the show he did after the bust.
00:21:08:04 – 00:21:12:04
Nick
Which messed with season one.
00:21:12:09 – 00:21:13:14
Jon
I’ve seen that. Yeah.
00:21:13:23 – 00:21:14:07
Nick
They do.
00:21:15:05 – 00:21:18:00
Jon
Because I think I’ve only seen season one, too.
00:21:18:03 – 00:21:26:01
Nick
I was enthralled by season one. Yeah, I guess this concept like what happens? Yes. Ruined and everything like that. Yeah.
00:21:26:13 – 00:21:28:13
Jon
But even that was only like 2% of the population anyway.
00:21:28:20 – 00:21:30:06
Nick
Yeah, I couldn’t keep watch.
00:21:30:07 – 00:21:41:01
Jon
So. Damon Lindelof made that show and in the same vein, it was like, it was like a mystery that they, that they proposed. The premise was the mystery, and they didn’t feel any to have to explain it.
00:21:41:10 – 00:21:42:21
Nick
So they never gave the answer.
00:21:43:02 – 00:21:50:07
Jon
Yeah, I heard. I heard the smiley was satisfying on that show, but I haven’t seen it. Check it out. It’s a boy. A lot of times it’s.
00:21:50:12 – 00:21:51:06
Nick
Just a truth.
00:21:51:15 – 00:22:02:11
Jon
Don’t. Oh, yeah. Oh, cool. I didn’t know that. I want to see more of you. Never heard of him before that show. Anyway, so I was watching.
00:22:02:11 – 00:22:28:14
Nick
Jules full throttle with his fantastic Irish accent. Oh, was he in the. No. Was the bad guy Her ex-boyfriend in Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle. That’s a matter of. And. Oh, well, no Irish. I’m going to tell you about people. I mean, why, why do you need to be Irish nominated into the Irish? I can’t say it was Irish anyway.
00:22:28:23 – 00:22:35:01
Nick
Just. Just bringing a big A-game, making it. Check out Charlie’s Angels. Like that’s a.
00:22:35:01 – 00:22:38:01
Jon
Film that I definitely know that I have seen, but I couldn’t tell you anything about.
00:22:38:02 – 00:22:38:13
Nick
The second.
00:22:38:13 – 00:22:39:23
Jon
One. Yeah, I’ve seen both of.
00:22:39:23 – 00:22:41:06
Nick
Them so hard.
00:22:41:10 – 00:22:42:20
Jon
Such trash was.
00:22:43:12 – 00:22:44:19
Nick
Fantastic. Anyway.
00:22:45:13 – 00:23:12:03
Jon
To bring it back, there was an interview where he was talking about the Leftovers and the interview was like, I got to ask you this, like, I have you here I need to ask you about, like, what the fuck happened with Boston? Like, why did it end that way? Why did you not answer all these questions? And you could see on Damon Lindelof face, he was just like, okay, here’s how you know, he was really good answer, and I don’t remember the exact details, but he basically was like, Look at it just now.
00:23:12:03 – 00:23:14:03
Jon
I think we’d talk about this. He was just here.
00:23:14:03 – 00:23:14:15
Nick
For the episode.
00:23:14:17 – 00:23:44:21
Jon
He was just like, Listen, I was given the helm of this show and how to create, how to create a story that kept bringing people back and continue this flashback setup in different ways because they change that in later seasons. But it was still sort of focusing on the character, and I had to sort of figure out how to make a resolution for these characters that may not answer every single sci fi mystery question out there, but at least I can bring an ending to the story.
00:23:45:06 – 00:24:06:21
Jon
And I thought that’s fair. Like because I remember thinking about about the ending of the show like it was a really, really good emotional resolution for the characters in spite of the religious imagery and connotations. But it may not have answered everything, and I was kind of okay with that. But I totally understand why people were not, and they hated it because it didn’t answer all the questions.
00:24:07:10 – 00:24:09:09
Nick
So like 20 something episodes of season, right?
00:24:09:22 – 00:24:32:20
Jon
The first three was 20 something and then in season three they decided they had a talk with the with the studios and they said, we need to have a prescribed end to the show. Yeah, because it’s because I think because basically they were like, We can’t keep explaining this here. Backstories, we’re running out of stuff talk about. And they said, and they agreed because it was a big moneymaker.
00:24:32:20 – 00:24:54:01
Jon
They, they agreed. Okay, six seasons total and after six and then so seasons four, six were like 14, 15, 16 episodes, something like that. And also I remember the fourth season between the third and fourth. At some point in there, there was a right at the Writers Guild of America struck. They strike, striked struck, they held a strike.
00:24:54:21 – 00:25:15:09
Jon
And so they stopped working on TV and went on strike. Yeah, they struck. And so they had to deal with that, which is why there was like a gap in the middle of season three. And then season four was like truncated and then seasons five and six were just the same. So anyway, they had an end to the show, which also were like was a big deal back then because you didn’t do that with TV shows in terms of high concept.
00:25:15:19 – 00:25:21:07
Nick
Well, they did, yeah. If it’s high concept, you have to have an ending. Yeah, it’s just life reservation. Go together.
00:25:22:04 – 00:25:22:20
Jon
If it’s like what.
00:25:22:24 – 00:25:24:10
Nick
Ross and Rachel get together, blah.
00:25:24:10 – 00:25:25:07
Jon
Blah. Oh, yeah.
00:25:25:08 – 00:25:26:09
Nick
Just anything is.
00:25:26:09 – 00:25:27:02
Jon
Fine. Yeah, that’s.
00:25:27:02 – 00:25:30:11
Nick
Everyone gets married and have kids got fight. That’s what all of them do.
00:25:30:12 – 00:25:33:10
Jon
He they discover he finally meets the mother.
00:25:35:03 – 00:25:35:13
Nick
Finally.
00:25:35:15 – 00:26:00:08
Jon
Robert Yeah, exactly. So. So they continued the 26 and a half minutes so far, they continued the concept of the flashbacks. But the big twist of the end of season three is that it was actually a flash forward. So you see Jack talking about this. You see him make a flashback and then he meets Kate and then she says, We have to go back.
00:26:00:21 – 00:26:03:10
Jon
We have to go back. And I was like, What?
00:26:03:10 – 00:26:12:00
Nick
They get off the island? It’s amazing. I feel like now it’s a good point to say, We’re going to do spoilers.
00:26:12:12 – 00:26:15:15
Jon
Fine spoilers. I got that bit out because basically.
00:26:15:15 – 00:26:19:15
Nick
Oh, that’s fine. No, that’s fine because first of all, it’s 20 years old.
00:26:19:21 – 00:26:20:21
Jon
Oh yeah. Okay.
00:26:21:04 – 00:26:25:16
Nick
But let’s not for you stop worrying about it. Let’s get into it. Because I was.
00:26:25:23 – 00:26:47:00
Jon
Also, I want to mention as well, Lost is considered one of the best TV shows of all time by a lot of major publications, including Empire Magazine was the ninth best TV show of all time, again called it AF Entertainment Weekly called the eighth, The Empire magazine. Guess who was called Lost? The ninth? Best TV show of all time.
00:26:47:00 – 00:26:55:08
Jon
Guess what show was f both of them? I say correct. And 10th was also Doctor Who. So a lot of nerdiness, good TV shows.
00:26:56:02 – 00:26:57:03
Nick
Was number one. Game of Thrones.
00:26:57:12 – 00:26:59:00
Jon
No, number one was like Breaking Bad.
00:26:59:04 – 00:27:00:07
Nick
Oh, yeah, forget about that one.
00:27:00:15 – 00:27:01:20
Jon
And I think they pine. I think.
00:27:02:03 – 00:27:04:00
Nick
That. I think you have a Southern accent.
00:27:04:17 – 00:27:07:02
Jon
Yes. No, it was Game of Thrones.
00:27:07:08 – 00:27:11:22
Nick
Don’t. Not that he was one of the highest rated cartoons.
00:27:11:22 – 00:27:12:07
Jon
Yes.
00:27:12:16 – 00:27:21:04
Nick
Yes. It was high as critically was assumed that he was going to do after that. No, that as well. So. Right.
00:27:21:05 – 00:27:22:15
Jon
Let’s move on. Let’s move on.
00:27:22:17 – 00:27:27:11
Nick
What were some of the best twists?
00:27:27:14 – 00:27:28:08
Jon
Oh, okay.
00:27:28:16 – 00:27:31:02
Nick
Let me rephrase, because otherwise we’ll go on forever.
00:27:31:04 – 00:27:37:02
Jon
Oh, my gosh. This this can’t be a really detailed episode. It’s got to be We’re only scratching the surface, by the way.
00:27:37:14 – 00:27:41:10
Nick
You know, it’s like we’re used to, you know, them everything, you know, from now on, I don’t even.
00:27:41:10 – 00:27:42:20
Jon
Know Disney plus because of the ABC.
00:27:43:02 – 00:27:48:09
Nick
And we got Yeah what stream on Disney plus should you want to spend how many hours of your life.
00:27:49:02 – 00:27:54:18
Jon
Yeah how many episodes were there I wonder 20. 2020. So not quite 100.
00:27:54:23 – 00:27:58:10
Nick
You can add a seven pages of stats. The buffet. You didn’t write down how many episodes.
00:27:58:16 – 00:27:59:15
Jon
You told me of.
00:28:00:21 – 00:28:01:14
Nick
Watching it all.
00:28:01:21 – 00:28:02:08
Jon
Hang on. I can.
00:28:02:18 – 00:28:03:03
Nick
I think I’m on.
00:28:03:03 – 00:28:03:14
Jon
The page right.
00:28:03:14 – 00:28:03:20
Nick
Here.
00:28:03:21 – 00:28:04:16
Jon
Carry on. Okay.
00:28:04:17 – 00:28:06:13
Nick
You think of the twists and I’ll think of it.
00:28:06:13 – 00:28:08:23
Jon
121 episodes.
00:28:08:23 – 00:28:20:05
Nick
21 hours of your life. If you want to waste on this, you spend spend on this show. However, we’re just going to talk about interesting bits about it. Yeah. Then I’m going to try to make it gay.
00:28:20:07 – 00:28:28:06
Jon
I will tell you. Good luck. I will tell you which episode episodes to skip. So season one, you have the crash landing and you explore the island.
00:28:28:17 – 00:28:32:19
Nick
In chronological order, some of the best twists, some of your favorite twists.
00:28:32:19 – 00:28:38:21
Jon
What you want to be, tell it in a negative way. So the best.
00:28:38:22 – 00:28:43:21
Nick
Well twist story. That finale sounds pretty impressive that you went forward this forward in time.
00:28:43:23 – 00:28:59:16
Jon
That was good. I will tell you that when I watched it, I was so confused. Yeah. Because I was so caught up in, like, the flashback concept that when he sees Kate at the end of the episode and she’s like, We have to go back, I thought the my first thought was they knew each other the whole time.
00:29:00:04 – 00:29:01:06
Nick
Yeah, I would for.
00:29:01:07 – 00:29:31:03
Jon
That. And I didn’t realize it was a fast forward because I’m not smart. So that was a good twist at the end of also the end of season three, when Charlie Dominic Monahan’s character, wanted to leave the show. And so he was put on like a very sort of heroic death. They find an underwater or do you know what the hatch Yeah, they think the hatch is like a underground station built by the Dharma Initiative, which is like a scientific expedition that came in the fifties.
00:29:32:01 – 00:29:59:14
Jon
And they discover these very spaces. There’s an underwater base which apparently has like which apparently is what’s stopping the islanders from communicating with the outside world. So they go to the underwater base and try to shut that off. There’s a critical Desmond who is in the hatch in season two. We find him, he’s in the hatch pushing a button every 108 minutes.
00:29:59:14 – 00:30:28:13
Jon
Different, different story. But he is he’s been in the hatch for, like I want to say, eight years that cover you know, he’s been that for a long time pushing his button, not really exploring the island because he feels like he is saving the world by doing so long story. He has a who his is called Penny. And in some point they believe that Penny is looking for him.
00:30:28:13 – 00:30:31:14
Jon
And so she’s sending a boat to where they are.
00:30:31:21 – 00:30:32:07
Nick
Right.
00:30:33:00 – 00:30:54:21
Jon
And then somebody comes to the island called Naomi, who is. Whoo hoo! I know. Okay, so refresh your memory. Naomi comes to the island in season three, and she says, I’m with basically Penny’s father on an expedition to find you. Come follow me. Some people I don’t trust you kind of thing. And she’s like, No, no, there’s a boat over there.
00:30:54:21 – 00:31:19:10
Jon
I can radio that kind of thing. Desmond and Charlie go to the underground station and there’s they have a fight with somebody who’s there who’s trying to kill him. He locked himself in the sort of chamber he he is thus flooding. He contact. He turns to flip the switch. They can contact. He contacts the outside world and he Charlie gets through to Penny and he’s like Penny.
00:31:19:16 – 00:31:40:14
Jon
And she’s like, that’s the thing is he’s drowning. He’s like a friend of your boat’s here. And Penny’s like, What boat? So his dying, his dying, his last act of heroism is writing on his hand in pen, not Penny’s boat, putting on the glasses, showing Desmond, who then has to go tell those people don’t trust this woman. And that’s what season four is about, is it’s the boat.
00:31:42:01 – 00:31:44:24
Jon
So the twist was Sorry.
00:31:45:01 – 00:31:53:10
Nick
I blacked out. You’re so ADHD. I didn’t follow that. Yeah, right. Okay, so that was the twist. Oh.
00:31:53:24 – 00:31:54:15
Jon
The better twist.
00:31:54:21 – 00:31:57:02
Nick
Thank God, because I blanked out.
00:31:57:03 – 00:32:00:18
Jon
Well, I mean, I can’t tell you. I kind of, like, set it up because, like, you know, you’re going to be like, whatever.
00:32:01:04 – 00:32:04:07
Nick
I know this is. Don’t do it for me. Do for the people who like the show.
00:32:04:07 – 00:32:35:15
Jon
Okay. So one of the better twists that I can remember is when I give you a brief structure, when the six of them get off the island, six of them get off the island. Season four introduces fast forwards. So you fast you start following the people on the island. You fast forward to assist them to get off. And somehow John Locke has gone off as well and is looking for them, trying to get them to come back to the island because this, you know, they need they’re needed whatever.
00:32:35:15 – 00:32:46:24
Jon
At the end of season four, Jack is going through a funeral. And it turns out Locke is in the coffin. And he’s been that he’s been dead the whole time.
00:32:48:09 – 00:32:48:21
Nick
Okay.
00:32:49:20 – 00:32:53:07
Jon
Well, he’s been to the whole time. Doesn’t matter what twist, because then what is he doing?
00:32:53:08 – 00:32:56:16
Nick
I know. Because I want to. I want to. I want to talk about the end.
00:32:57:10 – 00:33:01:06
Jon
I figure. Okay, forget the twists. I can’t give you twists right now.
00:33:01:06 – 00:33:01:19
Nick
Because.
00:33:01:22 – 00:33:04:16
Jon
You don’t have a story. Let’s talk about you.
00:33:04:18 – 00:33:13:22
Nick
Know, because once we talk about the end, that’s it. Is there any like and then geekery of the reader enough that it’s natural, but take care of the way here.
00:33:14:19 – 00:33:28:01
Jon
That is that is fine. Okay, let’s do that. Let’s do I’ll tell you. Okay. Let’s make it a big game then I’ll talk about the end. The most special parts one time. Gay.
00:33:28:08 – 00:33:29:08
Nick
Is there anything that’s gay?
00:33:29:15 – 00:33:31:12
Jon
I would tell you the one thing that is game tastic.
00:33:31:12 – 00:33:34:03
Nick
Yes.
00:33:34:03 – 00:33:40:09
Jon
Which was not a highlight of the show. Then we’ll talk about the end and then we’ll talk about.
00:33:40:09 – 00:33:43:08
Nick
Because I feel like I want to ask questions about the twists in relation to the end.
00:33:43:13 – 00:33:45:07
Jon
Fine. Fine. Good. Perfect.
00:33:45:07 – 00:33:46:20
Nick
Because I want to ask about that love thing.
00:33:47:17 – 00:33:48:03
Jon
Okay.
00:33:48:14 – 00:33:50:15
Nick
But I need to ask about the end. Fine.
00:33:50:22 – 00:34:04:05
Jon
Okay. We’ll get there. If you think. Thank you for sticking with us. We we were back. We had a bit of a technical difficulty, but we are back. Hopefully you can hear us both just as good. Now, if you stuck with us so long. Thanks for sticking around for this.
00:34:05:01 – 00:34:09:04
Nick
You’ve been Krista to you the whole time. You know, I sound like I’ve been in the toilet.
00:34:09:04 – 00:34:10:14
Jon
Maybe they didn’t notice. We shouldn’t.
00:34:10:14 – 00:34:15:19
Nick
Mention that. That’s true. Oh, let’s see if you made it. Like you said, if they made it this far.
00:34:15:20 – 00:34:17:19
Jon
Gosh, Nick, it has a terrible microphone.
00:34:17:19 – 00:34:22:03
Nick
Why are they not going to pull a person with a real microphone.
00:34:22:03 – 00:34:27:05
Jon
It’s better than me sounding tinny all the time, which I feel like I do when we’re working separately.
00:34:27:18 – 00:34:36:12
Nick
So. So for all that, we were going to talk about the slight gay element.
00:34:36:14 – 00:34:37:23
Jon
We’re going to talk about Gay Lost.
00:34:38:05 – 00:34:38:14
Nick
Okay.
00:34:38:22 – 00:34:40:20
Jon
Which is going to be a very short six.
00:34:41:07 – 00:34:42:13
Nick
In 15 words or less.
00:34:42:13 – 00:35:23:01
Jon
Yeah, basically. So you, the others who are on the island before the plane crash, survivors get there, they start interacting with the survivors. And I think they are I think if they appear there’s a character called that they eventually call Mr. Friendly, just their nickname for this guy. And he’s been in like a bunch of TV shows. He’s a recognizable actor as this big, gruff guy, doesn’t think any shit, but he’s been in the in the show since like one of the very first interactions with the survivors when they in season three, when they start focusing on the others more like you meet a lot of them.
00:35:23:18 – 00:35:43:17
Jon
He’s one of the prominent ones and Kate’s in a cage and she makes some comment about herself and this character. Mr. Friendly says, Oh, thanks, but you’re not my type. That was it. And the speculate then the speculation abounded online like, Oh, why does he mean is he a homosexual? But is there that.
00:35:44:03 – 00:35:45:04
Nick
That adds.
00:35:45:04 – 00:36:13:14
Jon
Hang on. Ever since then, the character who is a reoccurring, you know, guest character, he kind of starts playing him that way. Like he wasn’t written that way. He just starts playing that way. And then in one of the I want to say one of the flash forwards, you meet him and he’s like, They’re with a young sort of a young, I want to say, like a young Filipino type, Asian, East Asian boy, and gives him a kiss on the cheek and acts very sort of like a bit flamboyant.
00:36:14:05 – 00:36:31:11
Jon
And I thought it was I thought it was a really strange way to oh, after the show. It really is awful. It’s like, I mean, good job for Retconning a character to be gay, but what did it add to the story exactly? Zero.
00:36:31:20 – 00:36:37:01
Nick
Well, making a flamboyant stereotype was a teeny, tiny Filipino twink boyfriend.
00:36:37:09 – 00:36:38:03
Jon
I mean, that’s what.
00:36:38:03 – 00:36:38:15
Nick
We all do.
00:36:39:06 – 00:36:48:12
Jon
If I’m wrong on that aspect of what they. But the race of the young boy was I’m sorry, but that just shows how much I wanted to erase this memory from my mind.
00:36:48:12 – 00:36:49:08
Nick
Clearly didn’t stick.
00:36:49:08 – 00:37:01:08
Jon
Out. It didn’t stick out. And I think he’s just he’s that the other characters depicted there, too like receive a kiss from this guest character and then leave the scene. And it just didn’t work for me.
00:37:02:07 – 00:37:03:10
Nick
No, it doesn’t sound like it was.
00:37:03:12 – 00:37:14:19
Jon
There’s no other there’s no other explicitly gay character in the entirety of the show, I believe, although I will say that Daniel gives us a very strong survivalist lesbian vibes. I love her character.
00:37:15:24 – 00:37:30:00
Nick
But not even like queer themes. It feels like a very heterosexual straight. No, this set, there’s no awkward outsiders or that kind of anything that we would relate to.
00:37:30:13 – 00:37:52:13
Jon
The point because I know like definitely a lot of all the romance in the in the show like any of the love triangles because it’s all straight although you know what, not to knock it just for being straight, because my favorite character in the whole show is Juliet, who you don’t see doesn’t appear till season two or three three.
00:37:52:23 – 00:38:21:10
Jon
She’s on two anyway. But like when she and Sawyer go back in time together in season five, it works them too. They just work. And then the her sacrifice at the end of season five is one of my favorite moments because it’s so heartbreaking. But if you know, you know, okay, so so anyway so in terms of romance, nothing gain in terms of being outsiders, I guess.
00:38:21:10 – 00:38:43:01
Jon
I mean, I can’t even say that the others are outsiders because they are just kind of just more like a secret cult of a secret organization doing something that you don’t know what it is. And there’s not really they’re not being like, you know, they’re not being persecuted or anything wrong with them. So, no, it’s very.
00:38:43:05 – 00:38:56:10
Nick
Strange to talk about the ending because I want to talk about the twists and everything like that. But it doesn’t make sense. I’m not interested and let’s be talking about the ending. Finally said you had something to say about it.
00:38:56:10 – 00:39:05:16
Jon
I do. I do. Let me. Because you’ve talked about flashbacks, Seasons one, two, three. They all focus on a character in flashback, something in the past before they go on the thing.
00:39:05:16 – 00:39:06:06
Nick
Yeah.
00:39:06:07 – 00:39:25:11
Jon
Or if they were on the plane, whatever, whatever they’re from, some of them where they work, some of them not so much, but that’s the concept. But the show, the ending of season three suddenly you’re like, Oh wow, this is the fast forward. They this is them saying that foreshadowing that they get off the island somehow, 66 of them and the other island and now we’re in season four.
00:39:25:11 – 00:39:43:10
Jon
We’re talking about we’re so following the characters on the island, dealing with the boat that may or may not be their rescue and the fashion forward to the sixth to make it off the island. Plus, John Locke makes it another way. And then minus, who also makes us, by the way, because he’s the leader of the others. Okay.
00:39:43:14 – 00:40:10:02
Jon
Right. Season five, the kind it’s probably my least favorite season because they introduce the time travel element where they some of them get sent back to the fifties, so they learn about the dominant narrative, how they came to the island and all those stations that they find, where they came from. Basically, it’s fun in certain ways, but it’s also I don’t like it as a storytelling device behind whatever.
00:40:10:14 – 00:40:16:11
Jon
Just saying it’s for these five. It doesn’t mean it’s bad. It just some of these. My favorite season.
00:40:16:11 – 00:40:17:06
Nick
Six.
00:40:17:14 – 00:40:34:07
Jon
Because because Juliet’s sacrifice at the end of season five is it’s led its there to make us believe that everything has been reset so season six starts Why are you looking me like that? You got a Ford face on your face. Stay with me.
00:40:34:07 – 00:40:37:08
Nick
But perhaps watch too much.
00:40:38:05 – 00:41:01:22
Jon
Season six starts with the plane safely landing in L.A.. Okay, so people are like, what? And you keep watching it and you realize that that’s just a separate, like a parallel universe kind of thing. And you do you still following the other survivors on the island and how that resolves to the end of the end of the show.
00:41:02:08 – 00:41:25:19
Jon
So season six is all about this parallel, what if scenario which they which the the people on the forum, they they call them fast sideways because it’s not back or forwards is what if what if they never crashed kind of scenario. So by the end of the season the finale is basically that the flash sideways, the parallel universe isn’t real.
00:41:25:19 – 00:41:47:02
Jon
That’s kind of a holding place where you go after you die to meet each other again and then proceed on to the afterlife. You can call that a purgatory, but that is only in season six. So the thing that people get wrong a lot about the show is by saying, Oh, that means they were always in purgatory.
00:41:47:03 – 00:41:48:00
Nick
They were there the whole time.
00:41:48:00 – 00:42:06:11
Jon
They were dead. The whole time? No, on the island. They were not. The story goes that they were on the island with various mishaps and people they meet. And then eventually when everybody does die, they go to this other realm or whatever to see each other again before they pass on. That’s the first sideways bit.
00:42:07:09 – 00:42:11:01
Nick
What happens in the whole thing then? What happens at the end? At the end of.
00:42:11:01 – 00:42:31:20
Jon
The island thing, Jack dies, which we see in the finale. So he gets to the whole concept of the show is that it’s a good versus evil kind of battle and Jack is fighting the the man in black who is the representation of evil, who has been who is reincarnated himself as Locke. So the whole science versus thing comes to a hand ahead.
00:42:32:07 – 00:42:56:04
Jon
Jack becomes like the protector of the island for like 2 seconds and then fights the man and black wins at sealing the the evil away. The smoke smoke monster is the evil. So succeeds at shooting that up, but then also dies and passes the the sort of the word ship of the island onto Hurley’s a Hurley is now the protector of the island.
00:42:56:13 – 00:42:57:07
Nick
So who’s dead.
00:42:58:08 – 00:43:26:08
Jon
Jack at the end of the show, some Jane said, who dies and then goes back to life and then it dies again. That was a really bizarre thing. Juliet Obviously, Charlie dies Season three, whole bunch of other people. But at the end of the storyline of the island, that’s it. Hurley, Ben Linus, Kate Sawyer, they all survive the first four.
00:43:26:08 – 00:43:33:13
Jon
The sideways bet happens when everybody dies. Eventually. It’s not. It’s not.
00:43:34:02 – 00:43:34:11
Nick
What.
00:43:34:19 – 00:43:42:11
Jon
It’s not. It doesn’t show everybody’s death, but we all know that everybody dies eventually. And so this, this whole.
00:43:42:19 – 00:43:45:12
Nick
Well happens to them. Who didn’t like what happens to Hurley?
00:43:46:01 – 00:43:50:22
Jon
He just remains protector of the island. But at some point in the future he will die.
00:43:51:02 – 00:44:03:19
Nick
So they don’t they never get off the island. There’s never anything like that. Just when they die or some people get off the island. Those six people you said get a family, they get off the island to die.
00:44:04:10 – 00:44:19:05
Jon
Those six people get off the island at the end of season four, and we’ve been flashing back to them throughout season four. And some of them stay. Some of them come back. Oh, no, actually, Jack makes them all go back.
00:44:20:17 – 00:44:21:00
Nick
What?
00:44:21:09 – 00:44:22:02
Jon
Yeah.
00:44:22:02 – 00:44:22:11
Nick
Why?
00:44:23:09 – 00:44:27:17
Jon
Because he believes that it’s the way to stop the evil.
00:44:29:03 – 00:44:30:01
Nick
What’s the evil?
00:44:30:17 – 00:44:31:19
Jon
The swap answer.
00:44:31:19 – 00:44:32:08
Nick
What is it?
00:44:32:19 – 00:44:38:03
Jon
Evil. It is the embodiment of evil.
00:44:38:08 – 00:44:39:09
Nick
How do they explain that?
00:44:40:12 – 00:44:56:00
Jon
By flashing. By doing a flashback to, like, a thousand years ago, 2000 years ago? Oh, God, yes. So exactly. This is I think this is you. What your reaction is, is a very good example of why people are upset with the finale, because it’s not a very clean answer.
00:44:56:00 – 00:44:56:24
Nick
Such a mess.
00:44:57:03 – 00:45:05:23
Jon
It is a bit of a mess. But at the same time, you see everybody resolving their character and passing onto the afterlife, I suppose.
00:45:05:23 – 00:45:10:21
Nick
And the fact of the past 15 years and I watched the final episode, I thought it meant that they were dead the whole time.
00:45:10:24 – 00:45:17:09
Jon
Yes. Which is why I want to do this fucking episode and telling people that they’re wrong. They’re not all that they’ve done. One thing that the UK.
00:45:17:09 – 00:45:17:21
Nick
I feel like.
00:45:17:21 – 00:45:18:12
Jon
Let me tell you something.
00:45:18:12 – 00:45:23:10
Nick
Poor writing that we didn’t understand that to that I didn’t watch any of the final scenes just the last 2 seconds.
00:45:23:10 – 00:45:42:09
Jon
Fuck you. One thing that show aired in the UK that didn’t air in the U.S. was that after that final shot of Jack’s dad, who was literally called Christian Shepherd, takes them to the afterlife. Exactly. The end credits.
00:45:42:14 – 00:45:48:07
Nick
Show and said, Oh, yeah, sorry. Sit. All right. No, it’s all right. Yes.
00:45:48:07 – 00:46:03:15
Jon
While the credits are rolling after the final episode, only in the UK do they show again, like still shots of the beach with the fuselage on it and like, waves in the distance. Like, that’s what made people believe that they were dead the whole time.
00:46:04:12 – 00:46:06:21
Nick
The bodies were in there. And it was just it.
00:46:06:21 – 00:46:09:03
Jon
Was just plain debris.
00:46:09:03 – 00:46:13:10
Nick
Look, we could have thought like, oh, oh, they were dead the.
00:46:13:10 – 00:46:41:20
Jon
Whole time, huh? Which made people angry because throughout the previous seasons, people on this forum called the fuselage people are and also the producers of the show are on this forum sometimes. Yeah. And they’re like the dead. They’re all, aren’t they, people opposing theories. Oh, they’ve all been dead. They’ve all been dead the whole normal time. And they would repeatedly say, no, that is not correct.
00:46:41:20 – 00:47:04:00
Jon
And a few other theories until they stopped responding to the theories. But yeah, that’s what people were upset by. It wasn’t true. They were not all dead the whole time. Just the last season. You can I suppose you can call that purgatory as a way, as a holding place for them to sort of.
00:47:04:00 – 00:47:10:11
Nick
But it was an actual purgatory. It was a desert island with a polar bear demon smoke monster.
00:47:10:11 – 00:47:12:04
Jon
And that wasn’t purgatory.
00:47:12:10 – 00:47:13:15
Nick
Exactly. That’s what I’m saying.
00:47:13:17 – 00:47:14:13
Jon
No, that wasn’t purgatory.
00:47:14:13 – 00:47:15:10
Nick
It’s just a desert island.
00:47:15:10 – 00:47:21:06
Jon
It was just a desert island with a sign with a science team from the fifties who had left stations.
00:47:21:06 – 00:47:25:07
Nick
There was no need for them to do the whole purgatory afterlife crap thing.
00:47:26:02 – 00:47:31:07
Jon
I think that was just them trying to make a storytelling decision about how are we going to move this narrative forward.
00:47:32:07 – 00:47:33:11
Nick
There’s no reason for that.
00:47:33:12 – 00:47:45:22
Jon
Let’s make a what if scenario. And but the thing is, you can turn your nose at it for sure, turn your nose up at it. But it was a good resolution for emotional resolution for all these characters.
00:47:45:22 – 00:47:48:03
Nick
It’s a swing and a miss.
00:47:48:03 – 00:47:51:04
Jon
I don’t know. I was like, How else would you how else would you have ended up?
00:47:51:05 – 00:47:51:18
Nick
I don’t know.
00:47:51:18 – 00:47:52:20
Jon
Like all the questions.
00:47:52:20 – 00:47:53:17
Nick
You would never go next.
00:47:53:17 – 00:47:54:08
Jon
Base away.
00:47:54:08 – 00:47:58:14
Nick
You would never get know if they’d written it properly, if they had an ending from the start.
00:47:59:04 – 00:47:59:13
Jon
Yeah.
00:48:00:02 – 00:48:07:04
Nick
They would have written it properly. But I feel like they didn’t they didn’t make up the ending until now.
00:48:07:09 – 00:48:08:00
Jon
They probably didn’t.
00:48:08:09 – 00:48:09:18
Nick
And like you were saying in season four.
00:48:10:07 – 00:48:24:06
Jon
Like, let’s make a thing. Yeah. And you remember like maybe a decade ago or so J.J. Abrams, who was suddenly popular because of this show and other shows on, he went like doing talks about this mystery box.
00:48:24:24 – 00:48:25:09
Nick
Yeah.
00:48:25:18 – 00:48:41:15
Jon
And how he was say he bought it. You know, the story goes he bought a box when he was nine at like some county fair. And it was just a big question mark on the front and it was like a mystery inside. And he realized that if he didn’t open it, he would always be it. The suspense was always better than the answer.
00:48:43:00 – 00:48:45:15
Nick
And exploding as a plot device.
00:48:45:24 – 00:48:48:02
Jon
It’s this story annoys me.
00:48:48:03 – 00:48:48:20
Nick
That’s really clever.
00:48:48:23 – 00:49:10:14
Jon
Shrouding is what the title of the episode, but it annoys me because he’s wrong. I don’t think that not revealing the answer is is is more. It could be more suspenseful for sure, but it’s not a good resolution to a narrative story.
00:49:10:15 – 00:49:11:14
Nick
Yeah I agree.
00:49:12:22 – 00:49:13:10
Jon
So you have.
00:49:13:10 – 00:49:17:15
Nick
To you have to write an ending if you want to have a satisfying ending. Yeah. Just write the fucking stuff.
00:49:17:15 – 00:49:30:05
Jon
Yeah. If his if his story of the book, if he sort of if the story of his life was he died never opening the box and we were watching this story, we’d be like, well what was in the fucking box then, You know.
00:49:30:05 – 00:49:49:11
Nick
What do they use? I’m pretty sure they used in Guardians of the Galaxy and something else as well, where they have a present from like a dead parent and they never want to open it because it looks like a present from your from a dead parent that has more to them than the volume to cassette or whatever. You know, it was, it’s a similar kind of it’s a good.
00:49:49:11 – 00:49:56:10
Jon
Example because I thought that paid off really well. Does it doesn’t he’d not open it until this is the end of the film or The Guardian.
00:49:56:10 – 00:49:59:05
Nick
Yeah, yeah. I think it was the first one because then he has volume two.
00:49:59:22 – 00:50:00:17
Jon
In the end. Yeah.
00:50:00:19 – 00:50:10:02
Nick
That was added in into he gets the two like 100 songs which is funny I know, but yeah. And it’s something as you said they’ve done.
00:50:10:02 – 00:50:38:13
Jon
But that works really well because he doesn’t open it and that is a mystery that is eventually revealed and it’s a fulfilling mystery like okay, we don’t have the suspense of not knowing what’s inside the present anymore, but it’s a good answer to the question, if only they this is one of the take the the poor versions of the one of the one of the things I didn’t like about this show is that you do such a good job of setting up a mystery and layers upon layers and then it doesn’t go anywhere.
00:50:38:13 – 00:51:02:17
Jon
Like there was a whole there was a whole episode. There’s a whole week where John Locke is he broke, he breaks his leg and he’s in the hatch in the little station underground. And Desmond, whoever kind of goes out to do something. And then there’s like an emergency switch is tripped and like, all the walls come down and these black lights pop up, the safety lights pop up.
00:51:03:00 – 00:51:21:17
Jon
And he can see that somebody had drawn the very intricate map of the island on one of the blast doors that come down with like glow in the dark paint kind of thing. So they’re painting on it and he’s like, she’s watching it. It’s on screen for like 5 seconds. And then. VERJEE Over, boom, switch back starts, go back up, lights go back on.
00:51:21:17 – 00:51:38:14
Jon
She can’t see it anymore anyway. And Desmond comes back. What happened? What happened? He said, Oh, there was a thing like he could move it, you know, he’s broken his leg, whatever. And the internet is like poring over this image. Someone screenshots it and it’s like that means that that means that a lot of mysteries here. Over here, what does this sequence of numbers mean, etc., etc..
00:51:38:22 – 00:51:41:03
Nick
And it doesn’t.
00:51:41:03 – 00:51:46:17
Jon
Really go anywhere. There’s a few things on there actually get referenced in future episodes like other stations, but.
00:51:47:06 – 00:52:02:04
Nick
The Sims really unsafe. This whole show sounds really unsatisfying. Like they’re throwing old saying, Are you trying to make you confused? Yeah. And then, then, then people, people die and it’s over. And you see that it’s.
00:52:02:04 – 00:52:24:11
Jon
Not just about making you confused, about making you ask what is it? I want to know what the answer is. So I’ll come back for next week to get more clues. And it’s like I said earlier in the episode, it’s like this. It’s about the journey. It’s like, how do we uncover these things? What’s happening this grand? What did I say before the concept piece of this show.
00:52:25:09 – 00:52:26:21
Nick
If they didn’t have an ending for our.
00:52:26:22 – 00:52:27:19
Jon
Plan? Yeah.
00:52:28:13 – 00:52:35:01
Nick
So like I said, it’s, I mean, yeah, same thing with Game of Thrones. They didn’t have an ending until.
00:52:35:01 – 00:52:43:05
Jon
Until George R.R. Martin told them, This is how I want it to end. And he fucked it up. And now we’re not going to get those books for another ten years because going to change the.
00:52:43:07 – 00:52:51:09
Nick
Name, change, you know. Well, that hasn’t that hasn’t encouraged me to go on. What if I’m honest?
00:52:51:24 – 00:52:53:07
Jon
Whatever. I don’t care if you do it all.
00:52:53:07 – 00:52:59:05
Nick
But I was has encouraged you Listeners, please let us know. Did you have any.
00:52:59:05 – 00:53:02:00
Jon
Questions about the ending? You said he had a question about the ending about Jim.
00:53:02:07 – 00:53:10:22
Nick
Well, because I thought they were dead. Yeah. So my question was like, how can he been alive to die but then be dead in a different thing? But they weren’t dead.
00:53:10:24 – 00:53:11:21
Jon
They weren’t dead and.
00:53:11:21 – 00:53:17:03
Nick
Also dead in the future. But now we’re in that. We’re in purgatory. Now it’s heaven and whatever, whatever.
00:53:17:13 – 00:53:32:04
Jon
He does die. And then he appears on the island. But that turns out it’s the smoke monster or the evil incarnate appearing as dead people, which is a great plot device, by the way. So like every character that has ever had somebody that they care about and die, it’s.
00:53:32:04 – 00:53:33:18
Nick
The Buffy finale.
00:53:33:18 – 00:53:39:08
Jon
Basically. Yeah. And then and then they and then they see their loved ones on the island and you’re like, whatever.
00:53:39:18 – 00:53:42:18
Nick
It’s like, that was the whole concept they could have done. They could have done that really well.
00:53:42:18 – 00:53:45:22
Jon
But they did do that. They did it a lot.
00:53:46:02 – 00:53:47:18
Nick
But they did. They did a lot.
00:53:48:01 – 00:54:01:22
Jon
They did a lot. And they did do that a lot. And that was one of the one of the three things that made sense. One of the few concepts I was like, okay, the Smoke Monster or whatever can can appear as people who had died too to certain.
00:54:01:23 – 00:54:34:13
Nick
Characters, but also what it’s a magical island where this magical it it feels too grounded in reality for the for the answer to be smoke monster evil magic yeah it doesn’t fit whereas if Buffy literally is like, Oh, it’s this monster, it’s pure evil. It’s every dead person. So sure. Because. Yeah, but it doesn’t for me, that doesn’t seem like a Oh, of course.
00:54:34:13 – 00:54:38:13
Nick
Yes. This smoke monster of death, which is every dead person.
00:54:39:14 – 00:54:40:22
Jon
No know. Well yeah, so.
00:54:40:22 – 00:54:52:06
Nick
That’s why I’m kind of like but I think it feels like it came out again. I’m the worst person to be saying this because I watch, like, five episodes. This is it. Like it came out of like, organic.
00:54:52:23 – 00:54:55:12
Jon
You have a valid point and I will say okay.
00:54:55:17 – 00:54:57:20
Nick
And all that, but I’m not saying anything.
00:54:58:05 – 00:55:19:21
Jon
I don’t. But like I will say that the episode where they explore Origin of the Smoke Monster, which is this this episode where they flashback 2000 years or whatever, I remember watching it and thinking, okay, there’s these two brothers who I guess represent good and evil, the ones dressed in white and dressed in black, which is fine because that was the birth name.
00:55:19:21 – 00:55:23:02
Nick
And they both white people.
00:55:23:02 – 00:55:47:08
Jon
Yes. I guess they’re like, It’s funny, funnily enough, why just it’s a South Pacific island and they’re both white people anyway, some ship crash like ships crash have been crashing their for centuries anyway. So when one of the brothers kills the other one and the body floats into the sort, this cave with a waterfall, the smoke monster comes out.
00:55:48:23 – 00:56:06:06
Jon
And I remember thinking at the time is this was just them explaining the origin of the Smoke monster? Because it’s shit, because it’s not scientific, but at the same time, I don’t know what I was looking for because it’s a fucking smoke monster. What was I expecting for a scientific to compare that to with something with Buffy? We don’t need to explain the science behind it.
00:56:06:06 – 00:56:07:03
Jon
It’s fantasy.
00:56:07:08 – 00:56:09:04
Nick
Dawn’s magical orb. Okay?
00:56:10:02 – 00:56:11:05
Jon
Yeah, exactly. Sure.
00:56:11:09 – 00:56:29:19
Nick
Of course. It’s cool. That makes total sense. But then why? It feels like that would be. It feels like they were having to hold out for this big reveal finale. Yeah, they couldn’t explain the flashback beforehand. Like that would have made more sense to.
00:56:30:20 – 00:56:32:03
Jon
You mean the origin of the Smoke monster?
00:56:32:03 – 00:56:56:23
Nick
Yeah. It’s like if they’re like, Right, here’s what’s happened. It’s just an island. Shut up. But because they had to leave, the mystery. Is that all they did? Are they got all along they couldn’t do it properly and it would have made more sense that once you realize like, no, apparently I was wrong, they weren’t dead. The Flash, whatever, then explain that might have made.
00:56:57:06 – 00:56:58:02
Nick
I don’t know. I do.
00:56:58:07 – 00:57:17:14
Jon
I do remember also thinking at the time I was like before the before the finale, that that was 2000 years ago. Episode was like maybe the second or third to last episode ever were they They’re like, this is meant to be the explanation of one thing. And I remember thinking, they’re not going to explain everything, are they? And being and.
00:57:17:14 – 00:57:18:18
Nick
Being like, Oh shit.
00:57:18:18 – 00:57:24:04
Jon
And being pretty disappointed. I mean, yeah, I’m not going to get around to explaining why they have why it doesn’t have to push the button every hundred 8 minutes.
00:57:24:04 – 00:57:25:17
Nick
They never explain that. No, they don’t.
00:57:25:20 – 00:57:36:09
Jon
They don’t think so. You know, those numbers four eight 1516 2342 oh, the some of which is 108, by the way. I mean, it’s brilliant how they used it in a lot of places, but they never made it.
00:57:36:09 – 00:57:37:17
Nick
So they come from means nothing.
00:57:38:17 – 00:57:40:01
Jon
They’re just numbers that appear everywhere.
00:57:40:01 – 00:57:40:12
Nick
Just numbers.
00:57:40:24 – 00:57:48:24
Jon
Yeah. In fact, Hurley, those were his winning lottery ticket numbers and he keeps seeing them. Maguire And he thinks he’s bringing bad luck to everybody.
00:57:49:07 – 00:57:57:17
Nick
I remember I remember the bad luck concept. Yeah, but it doesn’t matter. But he’s guardian of the island. What, like magical guardian?
00:57:58:06 – 00:57:58:22
Jon
I guess.
00:57:59:17 – 00:58:00:02
Nick
Because.
00:58:00:12 – 00:58:19:24
Jon
Because this brother, this because the concept is spoiler alert. Is this young? The brother who killed his brother 2000 years ago. He’s looking for a new protector. And so he’s bringing people via ship crash or plane crash, whatever, to judge their worthiness, whatever, and hasn’t found anybody yet.
00:58:20:00 – 00:58:28:24
Nick
Is that what the island is for? To judge people, to find a replacement? What do they do? Do they just go to the island of the whole world? The significance of the island, the island magical.
00:58:29:04 – 00:58:49:03
Jon
The island has been explained as the cork to keep the evil at bay. But it’s a very offhand comment. It’s not like a, you know. Yeah, I know it’s this listen, this is the high concept sci fi kind of show that you asked for answers for.
00:58:49:04 – 00:58:49:10
Nick
Yeah.
00:58:50:22 – 00:58:52:11
Jon
And that is answer that they provided.
00:58:52:14 – 00:58:56:21
Nick
For going amiss but they but they swung is there are.
00:58:57:06 – 00:58:58:13
Jon
There are other things like there’s.
00:58:58:13 – 00:59:00:06
Nick
Made a made a big attempt of it.
00:59:00:16 – 00:59:25:19
Jon
The other unresolved questions about the Dharma initiative like what happened to them what how did they set up this facility. Whatever the unanswered the concept that they used to provide it to, to explain why the island itself can time travel and why it can be found is a whole thing as well, which is, again, it’s not rooted in anything scientific.
00:59:25:24 – 00:59:27:18
Jon
Even if they said, you know what? Even if they said.
00:59:28:00 – 00:59:29:17
Nick
Listen, it’s the Bermuda Triangle, it’s.
00:59:29:18 – 00:59:58:19
Jon
Technology comes from aliens, for example, like then we could be like, okay, but they didn’t even do that. They just said, Yeah, it’s a smoke monster that come out. Came out of the cave once when this Jesus figure, this figure slain his brother and it floated in. That’s getting really big and deep though. And as a concept like I get it like okay you’re trying to get and the thing is like we’ve got a lot of shows that have been that have been aired since then that have learned from these mistakes, you know, or not.
00:59:58:20 – 01:00:01:20
Nick
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One Division.
01:00:02:09 – 01:00:03:03
Jon
WANDAVISION. Yeah.
01:00:03:19 – 01:00:19:24
Nick
Weird concept, high concept had an ending, but it was nine episodes or whatever. Ten? Yeah, only nine. It didn’t have to do hundred 2121 episodes, which shows the problem in it. Were the guys topless a lot?
01:00:20:23 – 01:00:23:13
Jon
No, no, no, not at all.
01:00:24:09 – 01:00:33:09
Nick
I mean, sometimes some occasionally or often occasionally. Fuck off, This is a desert island. They should be nude.
01:00:33:17 – 01:00:36:13
Jon
They should be nude and really thin.
01:00:36:13 – 01:00:57:08
Nick
Yeah, that’s disappointing, because the thing I remember, obviously, is that I couldn’t decide and I’m still not sure who’s the Who’s your favorite? Who’s the hot one? It’s kind of like this. No, I’m sure there’s lots of hot guys on TV, but in the world of sitcoms and everything, that was kind of normal beforehand. The guys were not hot.
01:00:57:21 – 01:01:02:11
Nick
Yeah, the women were beautiful. The men were ugly and funny. Oh.
01:01:03:03 – 01:01:03:07
Jon
Yeah.
01:01:03:12 – 01:01:22:04
Nick
It was kind of like that was kind of normal TV before that. So to have this show and like, a load of the guys are fucking beautiful, it was a fun kind of concept, was like, Which one do you perv over? Like which one’s your favorite to kind of work? And like, which friend do you fancy is like, none of them.
01:01:22:04 – 01:01:35:15
Nick
They’re all fucking hideous. Which guy from last you want to fuck Mouth? Oh, God, no. Because it’s changed like. And it changed week to week and that sort of stuff. Mm hmm. Which for which.
01:01:36:00 – 01:01:37:02
Jon
Which brings us to.
01:01:38:24 – 01:01:40:22
Nick
What a perfect segue into. Who would you.
01:01:40:22 – 01:01:47:07
Jon
Like to announce? It smells. Oh, let’s just break those in.
01:01:47:16 – 01:01:51:09
Nick
Yeah, that’s right. That was the. That was the sound effect Special panel.
01:01:51:09 – 01:01:53:15
Jon
We go outside, it comes after you announce it.
01:01:53:23 – 01:02:03:00
Nick
It does. Now. Smells. There we go. Special pass.
01:02:03:08 – 01:02:04:13
Jon
Oh, you got this already.
01:02:04:13 – 01:02:08:00
Nick
Oh, I’m just doing the Google list. And for some reason you don’t like it.
01:02:08:00 – 01:02:10:16
Jon
But no, because it’s not always accurate. But yeah.
01:02:10:20 – 01:02:13:14
Nick
No, but also, we don’t need to do all of these people.
01:02:13:23 – 01:02:19:01
Jon
Others laugh, so I’ll keep going and there won’t be one more. I’m like, Who?
01:02:19:01 – 01:02:27:07
Nick
Go do what we’re doing. Carrot to, right? Yes. So I’ll just say the character name. Yes, I’m doing it in this order. Fine. As comes up here.
01:02:27:07 – 01:02:27:24
Jon
Yep.
01:02:27:24 – 01:02:29:19
Nick
Hurley Pass. Pass.
01:02:29:19 – 01:02:30:21
Jon
He’s lovely, but he’s.
01:02:31:05 – 01:02:33:12
Nick
What’s he doing now? Did he do something afterwards?
01:02:34:10 – 01:02:53:04
Jon
He I’ve seen him in like guest roles and other shows but I think, you know, I mean if you’re in a show like Los and, and you’re one of the main crew I think Hurley because he’s the reason he’s first, it’s because he’s appeared in the most number of episodes and so good for him. He doesn’t have to do anything else.
01:02:53:20 – 01:02:57:21
Nick
That’s true. Back in the day you should tell me. Okay, so passing that. So I.
01:02:58:20 – 01:03:06:24
Jon
See. Yeah, well, I mean, I’m thinking about the lack of option. And so for that reason, I will smash.
01:03:06:24 – 01:03:09:21
Nick
Lack of options. Yes. Yes, absolutely.
01:03:10:10 – 01:03:12:02
Jon
I mean, I don’t like his long hair, but.
01:03:12:02 – 01:03:12:18
Nick
You know, the thing about.
01:03:13:12 – 01:03:19:13
Jon
Like, you know, he’s a very good Jack. Oh, he’s annoying, but I’ll smash it.
01:03:19:16 – 01:03:31:01
Nick
Oh, God, he’s so a spot on his. Gosh, he’s so it was the way. Is he problematic as well? I’ll go to the theater probably.
01:03:31:04 – 01:03:32:04
Jon
Don’t look for don’t.
01:03:32:19 – 01:03:43:14
Nick
Search for it. No, I love the fact that he was so fucking hot as a skinhead in that. But also in the nine shaved head. Shaved head? Where in lost you Shaved head.
01:03:43:22 – 01:03:45:23
Jon
Oh, yeah.
01:03:46:12 – 01:03:55:00
Nick
Oh, does it grow out? Well, this is how long I was. Okay. Oh is it go. Does it go back to party of five length. None of that. None of the in in party.
01:03:55:02 – 01:04:03:21
Jon
Five never saw it. I mean you guys are who crossing the island are barbers. Oh there is one scene of like take cutting Saw his hair with some random shears he found.
01:04:03:21 – 01:04:05:12
Nick
Oh so does he like grow a bubble or something?
01:04:05:15 – 01:04:11:22
Jon
No, it’s just there’s just some hair. He’s not, I don’t know. I don’t remember him being a buzz cut person. But anyway.
01:04:12:15 – 01:04:18:12
Nick
Again, anyways, so. Yeah. Okay. Smart. Kate. Kate.
01:04:18:16 – 01:04:19:10
Jon
The character.
01:04:20:09 – 01:04:20:22
Nick
Kate.
01:04:21:00 – 01:04:21:09
Jon
It’s nice.
01:04:21:09 – 01:04:24:01
Nick
Character Flash. Yeah, absolutely. She was.
01:04:24:04 – 01:04:28:24
Jon
Badass. She was. And her background was criminal.
01:04:29:10 – 01:04:31:20
Nick
Look cool. She’s a bunch. Yeah.
01:04:31:20 – 01:04:34:24
Jon
So your whole love, like, was it for straight people? Like, saying I can do this?
01:04:35:18 – 01:04:37:14
Nick
Yes. Okay. Yeah.
01:04:37:14 – 01:04:39:10
Jon
Side side. Smash.
01:04:39:15 – 01:04:43:14
Nick
Smash. Yeah, absolutely. Gin. Sue.
01:04:44:01 – 01:04:44:13
Jon
Gin.
01:04:45:07 – 01:04:46:23
Nick
Yes. It’s June 204.
01:04:46:23 – 01:04:48:11
Jon
Gin. Gin. Yes, it’s.
01:04:48:12 – 01:04:56:20
Nick
Matt. Absolutely. God, he finally fucking aged 55 year old.
01:04:56:20 – 01:04:59:08
Jon
He did not speak a word of Korean before the show.
01:04:59:09 – 01:05:01:05
Nick
No. Yeah. Did he actually learn?
01:05:01:11 – 01:05:03:09
Jon
Yeah, He learn Korean for the show.
01:05:03:09 – 01:05:04:22
Nick
Did Sue did son?
01:05:05:01 – 01:05:09:14
Jon
No, I think. I think she’s Korean. But the actor who plays gin is as American as American.
01:05:09:15 – 01:05:10:23
Nick
American American. Charlie.
01:05:12:12 – 01:05:14:17
Jon
No, I mean, I’ll pass this one.
01:05:15:01 – 01:05:18:17
Nick
Charlie Smart. Charlie.
01:05:18:17 – 01:05:24:08
Jon
Charlie got a bit to I don’t know. I don’t like archetype type.
01:05:24:12 – 01:05:27:16
Nick
Especially back in 2004. He would have been absolutely my time.
01:05:27:21 – 01:05:28:23
Jon
Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:29:17 – 01:05:31:19
Nick
Message? Oh, absolutely.
01:05:32:03 – 01:05:32:12
Jon
Yeah.
01:05:32:12 – 01:05:37:03
Nick
Yeah, definitely. Oh, I’d fall for that. Boone. Boone.
01:05:37:19 – 01:05:41:14
Jon
He’s so pretty. I mean, I respect him. Sure.
01:05:41:15 – 01:05:44:13
Nick
I’m absolutely.
01:05:45:13 – 01:05:47:03
Jon
He’s. He dies in the first.
01:05:47:03 – 01:05:51:16
Nick
Series, so. Yeah. He doesn’t last long, does he. He’s like brother or something. Brother and sister. But this.
01:05:51:16 – 01:05:52:02
Jon
Is video.
01:05:53:03 – 01:05:54:01
Nick
Ben Linus.
01:05:54:01 – 01:06:03:01
Jon
Span Linus so evil. But I mean, just the character. But who’s he in? Buffy.
01:06:03:06 – 01:06:15:12
Nick
He was like, wasn’t he like one of the creepy demons in seasons five that tried to steal? No, I think. I think it was someone I remember. I don’t think so. I will certainly. I mean, he looks like he’s been in Buffy.
01:06:15:12 – 01:06:24:14
Jon
So the character of Ben Linus, subtle manipulator, but he’s very sort of focused. I might smash that. Yeah, sure. I was like, Yeah, tricked me into something.
01:06:24:14 – 01:06:42:18
Nick
Was he? And Buffy, please, please write in and let us know because he looks like he was that we can search it now. I’m well know that the audience tell us carry out luck. Pass it pass. He was really annoying and didn’t like his like, Oh God, if I’m a tracker in a hood dress like whatever, should I.
01:06:42:18 – 01:06:49:02
Jon
Get his fur? Like, fine, I get it. But he’s so he’s, he’s the faith in that science versus faith debate.
01:06:49:02 – 01:06:54:00
Nick
Some he was so self-righteous. You know, the shit out of me. Yeah, some who.
01:06:54:03 – 01:06:55:10
Jon
Some sun.
01:06:55:12 – 01:06:55:23
Nick
Sun.
01:06:57:02 – 01:06:58:04
Jon
I thought we did her already. Yeah.
01:06:58:17 – 01:07:00:06
Nick
No, we just mentioned the issue Queen.
01:07:01:06 – 01:07:01:21
Jon
All right, fine.
01:07:01:22 – 01:07:02:01
Nick
We.
01:07:02:08 – 01:07:08:07
Jon
She’s pretty. You know, I’ve CCW. I’ll pass it because I don’t want to ruin it.
01:07:09:10 – 01:07:16:05
Nick
You don’t want to ruin it? Yeah, she’s. She’s. Yeah, just pure. I got to just still look at I’m still looking at some of those husband.
01:07:16:08 – 01:07:19:18
Jon
Like she is a she is about a son. The character is a badass as well.
01:07:21:06 – 01:07:22:05
Nick
She’s so beautiful.
01:07:22:05 – 01:07:26:01
Jon
Anyway, she coming, We coming.
01:07:26:01 – 01:07:28:05
Nick
I’ll say fast. Why not? Claire?
01:07:28:23 – 01:07:29:15
Jon
Pass.
01:07:29:15 – 01:07:30:19
Nick
I don’t know any annoying.
01:07:30:19 – 01:07:37:18
Jon
You know, Claire, she’s. I want to see the pregnant one. Oh, God. The only Australian on that plane from Sydney to L.A..
01:07:38:00 – 01:07:39:09
Nick
Apparently. Oh.
01:07:39:21 – 01:07:40:16
Jon
There’s no Australia.
01:07:40:16 – 01:07:42:20
Nick
Nothing. No, the Australians are staying where they are.
01:07:42:21 – 01:07:43:10
Jon
They all died.
01:07:43:12 – 01:07:46:24
Nick
Get rid of Holy. I guess that’s true. Desmond?
01:07:47:00 – 01:07:48:06
Jon
Oh, Desmond.
01:07:48:06 – 01:07:49:23
Nick
He’s hot. Who is he?
01:07:50:05 – 01:07:54:00
Jon
Doesn’t he? Is that love, Desmond?
01:07:54:02 – 01:07:59:05
Nick
Oh, my God. Yeah. Peru. A Peruvian. Scottish actor.
01:08:00:00 – 01:08:01:08
Jon
Peruvian. I know he was.
01:08:01:08 – 01:08:03:12
Nick
Oh, gosh, Bugger me.
01:08:03:12 – 01:08:10:08
Jon
He’s got a Scottish accent in the dead like me film that came out of the two series. And it was. He wants to show.
01:08:10:08 – 01:08:12:00
Nick
He and Jesus watch the show.
01:08:12:00 – 01:08:12:24
Jon
For Desmond, who isn’t.
01:08:12:24 – 01:08:14:22
Nick
A film about Jesus, was exhausting.
01:08:14:22 – 01:08:16:10
Jon
Was probably, I don’t know, probably looks.
01:08:16:10 – 01:08:19:14
Nick
Like he’d be Jesus. Jesus. Let’s start with this. Jesus has risen.
01:08:19:23 – 01:08:24:02
Jon
Definitely this. The person in the hatch start from season two will watch it until.
01:08:24:03 – 01:08:24:15
Nick
I don’t want.
01:08:25:03 – 01:08:29:24
Jon
He’s his. He’s the best episodes of the show are his.
01:08:30:11 – 01:08:32:16
Nick
In fact Shannon.
01:08:33:11 – 01:08:34:19
Jon
Simmons annoying pass.
01:08:35:01 – 01:08:37:02
Nick
Okay I don’t know who she is so I’m going to pass She’s.
01:08:37:02 – 01:08:37:21
Jon
Boon Sister.
01:08:38:21 – 01:08:40:14
Nick
Juliet’s lover.
01:08:41:15 – 01:08:42:09
Jon
Slash She’s.
01:08:42:12 – 01:08:43:19
Nick
Super familiar.
01:08:43:19 – 01:08:47:06
Jon
Yeah she’s in a lot of stuff.
01:08:47:06 – 01:08:51:13
Nick
Yeah. Oh, God. I think I, I, I think I know from the Santa Clause.
01:08:52:04 – 01:09:03:18
Jon
Oh, yes, she’s in Santa Clause, like Santa Clause three or something like that. So those three she’s in that, she’s in the remake of the TV show V about the aliens that arrives to Earth. And so trying to make sense.
01:09:03:18 – 01:09:04:22
Nick
Two of them or something.
01:09:05:04 – 01:09:08:01
Jon
It wasn’t a good show, but she was great and she was in The Expanse as well.
01:09:08:18 – 01:09:13:12
Nick
Oh, that’s probably I mean, I haven’t seen it, but I probably seen her on the interweb. Andalucia and.
01:09:13:13 – 01:09:15:04
Jon
Sia, everyone hates on her.
01:09:15:04 – 01:09:17:15
Nick
I love Sam Rodriguez. I’m Michelle Rodriguez. Not a big.
01:09:18:03 – 01:09:18:11
Jon
No.
01:09:18:18 – 01:09:20:22
Nick
Rodriguez. No, she’s off putting.
01:09:21:08 – 01:09:36:18
Jon
I’ve never seen any of the the Fast and Furious films, but I do. The Sia is a bit of a badass with a soft side. The episode okay episode that she dies in season two. She has such a people like hate on her because she’s so like, she’s so.
01:09:36:18 – 01:09:37:03
Nick
Yeah.
01:09:37:03 – 01:09:53:13
Jon
But then in the last her last episode is a flashback. She just like three flashbacks in season three. People are annoyed about that, but like, she’s a cop and she goes for serious, like find somebody some reason that she’s like, she calls her mom. She’s like, Mom, I’m tired. I just want to go home. I’m done with this.
01:09:53:22 – 01:09:57:23
Jon
What I’ve been doing, I just want to change. I want be a changed person. I just want to come home.
01:09:58:05 – 01:09:58:21
Nick
And then she dies.
01:09:58:23 – 01:10:01:13
Jon
And then she passes on the island and crashes.
01:10:01:13 – 01:10:01:19
Nick
On the.
01:10:01:19 – 01:10:07:00
Jon
Island? Yeah. She gets killed. She gets killed by. By a person who betrays the group.
01:10:07:14 – 01:10:09:03
Nick
Oh, who?
01:10:09:11 – 01:10:09:22
Jon
Michael.
01:10:10:10 – 01:10:10:24
Nick
Who’s Michael?
01:10:11:17 – 01:10:12:00
Jon
The.
01:10:12:08 – 01:10:17:08
Nick
Oh, Michael said she had a kid.
01:10:17:13 – 01:10:18:06
Jon
Yeah. His.
01:10:18:06 – 01:10:18:24
Nick
He was annoying.
01:10:18:24 – 01:10:20:11
Jon
He’s annoying. Pass.
01:10:20:11 – 01:10:22:19
Nick
I’m sorry. Pause. He’s, he was.
01:10:22:24 – 01:10:23:16
Jon
Like oh by.
01:10:23:22 – 01:10:25:01
Nick
The side. He killed her.
01:10:25:06 – 01:10:37:12
Jon
Oh yeah. Because he’s trying to get what back his lost. What does the kid who was abducted by the others and he makes a deal with others to betray friends to get his son back and to get off the island.
01:10:37:14 – 01:10:38:24
Nick
Okay, next one.
01:10:39:17 – 01:10:45:01
Jon
What was a kid? What? A child.
01:10:45:01 – 01:10:48:09
Nick
Not now. But you do.
01:10:48:09 – 01:10:53:07
Jon
See him growing up and he’s much there. Was that a picture of him?
01:10:53:07 – 01:10:54:23
Nick
Now that’s him all grow.
01:10:54:23 – 01:10:55:21
Jon
He’s. Yeah, he.
01:10:56:08 – 01:11:08:16
Nick
Is. But that’s the actor. Yeah. What’s the mechanics. This special pass. We can’t like, we can’t like we can’t smash the kid because. Okay, but did the kid grow up or did he die?
01:11:08:17 – 01:11:14:17
Jon
The kid grows up. I don’t know. I don’t know how old he is. An office, I think. Spent like 14, 16 when they see him again.
01:11:14:18 – 01:11:18:08
Nick
Lighting time scale. Yeah. So I don’t know. Okay, look, for that reason.
01:11:18:08 – 01:11:30:08
Jon
No, but he, he’s he’s got something, he’s got some connection with the island and when he and Michael get all their a.
01:11:30:08 – 01:11:32:13
Nick
Child’s innocence or some shit like that.
01:11:32:13 – 01:11:39:12
Jon
It’s like, it’s like magic he types. Oh, I forget what it is, to be honest, because they could have used us so well, but they didn’t make it.
01:11:39:15 – 01:11:40:23
Nick
So let me.
01:11:42:06 – 01:11:42:10
Jon
See.
01:11:42:10 – 01:11:43:14
Nick
Crazy I don’t know.
01:11:44:01 – 01:11:49:08
Jon
She isn’t. She. She. She’s. She’s killed off too soon with no flashback episode.
01:11:49:15 – 01:11:50:06
Nick
Oh, one.
01:11:50:06 – 01:12:02:08
Jon
Of the tallies. She gets killed at the same time. And obviously and it’s such a tragedy because she cares only about, oh, rumor has it that they kicked her off the show because she got a DUI in Hawaii.
01:12:02:08 – 01:12:05:16
Nick
Oh, I think I’ve heard that. Yeah, which is not my fault.
01:12:05:19 – 01:12:13:17
Jon
Michelle Rodriguez as well I word because in the end, in one of Hurley’s flashbacks, you see her the mental hospital with Hurley.
01:12:14:16 – 01:12:17:14
Nick
Do we want to go? How many of these do we want to do? Because like five.
01:12:17:14 – 01:12:17:24
Jon
More.
01:12:18:06 – 01:12:34:17
Nick
Because Paolo’s quite far down the skip and then go fast. He’s like the hottest fucking human and he’s very gorgeous. Never left Brazil. He’s looking a little rough now.
01:12:34:17 – 01:12:43:23
Jon
The characters of Nina and Pablo are the most hated characters in all of TV, I think. And Hot Take. They were given a better chance.
01:12:44:09 – 01:12:48:24
Nick
When he was in Charlie’s Angels Full Throttle. What’s he. Yeah, he’s hot surfer boy with.
01:12:50:09 – 01:12:50:20
Jon
The other guy, which.
01:12:51:10 – 01:12:52:14
Nick
He doesn’t.
01:12:52:14 – 01:12:55:14
Jon
Through. Let our have come full circle. Full circle.
01:12:55:15 – 01:12:59:15
Nick
Well, I go smash. Oh, my God. Please.
01:13:00:00 – 01:13:04:04
Jon
Okay. That hot picture overshadowed heartache.
01:13:04:23 – 01:13:07:13
Nick
I’m so sorry. Sighing, heartache, heartache.
01:13:07:23 – 01:13:39:01
Jon
Nina and Nikki and Paolo are way underrated. They Were not given the treatment that they could have given. They were introduced incredibly poorly. The audience gave them the fuselage, said These characters are terrible. They have to go. So the producers killed them off very viciously, by the way, and the stories didn’t work and they were it was a missed a missed opportunity to expand on the other survivors who are not one of the main cast.
01:13:39:01 – 01:13:50:06
Jon
Basically, that is definitely a swing and a miss was the introduction of them. They could have done a lot better and they just did it poorly in such shame.
01:13:50:06 – 01:13:52:02
Nick
Kelani was in a roll.
01:13:52:04 – 01:14:03:06
Jon
Back. Leaning is like one episode. He’s like a guard for the others. I remember looking him up and thinking, and I don’t even think he was like, How a line I can show you that the.
01:14:03:06 – 01:14:04:16
Nick
Guy from Heroes was in it.
01:14:04:17 – 01:14:07:10
Jon
Which guy in Heroes?
01:14:07:10 – 01:14:11:01
Nick
Psychic Policeman from Heroes.
01:14:11:01 – 01:14:12:06
Jon
Psychic Policeman.
01:14:12:12 – 01:14:16:20
Nick
In Heroes. Telepathic. Was that him?
01:14:16:24 – 01:14:18:12
Jon
Show me the actor’s name.
01:14:19:01 – 01:14:19:24
Nick
Greg Grund.
01:14:20:10 – 01:14:22:10
Jon
Greg Grunberg. Oh, him.
01:14:22:10 – 01:14:23:15
Nick
Yeah, that’s were.
01:14:24:21 – 01:14:26:07
Jon
I’m I think he’s like.
01:14:27:08 – 01:14:27:20
Nick
That’s Pat.
01:14:29:04 – 01:14:33:21
Jon
He’s on the boat. I think he’s a he’s a small character on the boat or on the helicopter or something.
01:14:33:21 – 01:14:35:16
Nick
Oh Nestor carbonara guy.
01:14:36:12 – 01:14:36:19
Jon
He does.
01:14:36:19 – 01:14:37:14
Nick
It in the old.
01:14:37:14 – 01:14:38:19
Jon
Days. Yeah. He’s, he’s.
01:14:38:22 – 01:14:39:21
Nick
Richard. I’ll put.
01:14:40:01 – 01:14:45:16
Jon
Richard out. There he is in the later seasons. He’s one of the he’s one of the islanders who defects.
01:14:46:03 – 01:14:47:18
Nick
Keep using him as someone else. He was hot.
01:14:48:14 – 01:14:53:13
Jon
I still snatch him. He started heart.
01:14:53:13 – 01:14:58:08
Nick
Any of these you want to smash? Because I don’t know who any of them are. So. La la la la.
01:14:58:09 – 01:14:59:06
Jon
Paolo.
01:14:59:09 – 01:15:04:06
Nick
See that there? I know he’s trying to sing. He’s. He’s going to.
01:15:04:06 – 01:15:05:20
Jon
Be Mr. Eko.
01:15:06:18 – 01:15:14:08
Nick
Mr. Eko. I don’t know why I’m asking that. The audience might know. Now, why don’t you read some of these over the. I don’t know if it’s worth it.
01:15:15:04 – 01:15:27:00
Jon
This is Mr. Eko. He’s got the arc. Didn’t come back to the finale, so I think he asked for too much money. So there’s no fucking. We’re not going bring you back events.
01:15:27:00 – 01:15:27:17
Nick
Disappointing.
01:15:28:05 – 01:15:34:05
Jon
He had a really good flashback episode was really good times It’s nice to go. Yeah he.
01:15:34:24 – 01:15:41:22
Nick
Oh, like some of his other head shots. Oh, was he in Suicide Squad?
01:15:43:01 – 01:15:45:19
Jon
Oh, yeah. He was the shark. No croc. Use the croc.
01:15:46:11 – 01:15:48:02
Nick
That a waste of that face.
01:15:48:02 – 01:15:48:12
Jon
Yeah.
01:15:48:24 – 01:15:52:02
Nick
Let’s not talk about of like not again.
01:15:52:02 – 01:15:54:16
Jon
No, no, no. So who should we end on.
01:15:55:11 – 01:16:04:12
Nick
Should have it up. Paolo. Let’s do the boat. Was it it that to, uh. Who’s Jerry Bowen? It doesn’t say just.
01:16:05:07 – 01:16:06:08
Jon
Oh, Julie Bowen.
01:16:06:08 – 01:16:06:23
Nick
Yeah, yeah.
01:16:06:23 – 01:16:09:08
Jon
Yeah, yeah. She was Jack’s ex-wife.
01:16:09:21 – 01:16:10:21
Nick
Oh.
01:16:11:12 – 01:16:14:19
Jon
Smash. And Jack’s ex-wife.
01:16:15:06 – 01:16:25:07
Nick
So. Yes, sure. If I was that way inclined, I probably would too. Yeah, I’m just looking at Rodrigo Santoro. Yeah, Yeah.
01:16:25:07 – 01:16:38:21
Jon
Oh, come back in, like, 5 minutes. Okay, So that is our first episode about. Well, first, first. That was, that was my, my opportunity to set the record straight about what happened and lost it. Well, very geeky show not gay.
01:16:39:15 – 01:17:02:21
Nick
Not dead all but like or Oh God I’m impressed How wrong I got it. Okay. And how yeah how long. I thought that was the case and had no idea. Yeah. What happened? Would it have been up? Did everyone get it right to actually watch the full series, or did people make mistakes like I did? Or is it just people who didn’t watch it?
01:17:03:04 – 01:17:04:02
Nick
They make mistakes.
01:17:04:02 – 01:17:15:18
Jon
I think I think I think the many people that I speak to who have seen the show, I don’t know if they’ve seen the whole show, but the majority of them say, oh, they were dead the whole time and whatever.
01:17:15:18 – 01:17:16:11
Nick
So I don’t know. Yeah.
01:17:16:11 – 01:17:21:14
Jon
So, yeah, I don’t know very many other losses, to be honest, because I feel like I mean, I feel that my.
01:17:21:14 – 01:17:21:22
Nick
Own.
01:17:22:08 – 01:17:23:13
Jon
Feel like I’m the only guy in the village.
01:17:23:14 – 01:17:35:11
Nick
It was they were funny. They were trying to do too many things. It wasn’t satisfying to watch because you never got any kind of resolution. It was just more question Yeah, well, which is why I gave up. Yeah, but I think I gave it.
01:17:35:11 – 01:17:37:03
Jon
You gave up, like after four episodes?
01:17:37:03 – 01:17:38:17
Nick
Yeah. When did the smoke appear?
01:17:39:06 – 01:17:39:24
Jon
Episode one.
01:17:40:02 – 01:17:44:13
Nick
Oh, I was around then. Yeah.
01:17:44:13 – 01:18:09:02
Jon
But like, yeah, I stuck with it because I wanted to know that the next clue, whatever, and I was drawn up, sucked into the mystery of it and all, but I get that it wasn’t satisfying in terms of the mystery, but I was okay with the characters story arcs concluding, which they all think basically I did, whether or not they died or had some sort of resolution.
01:18:09:02 – 01:18:34:06
Jon
For the most part, I’m speaking very generally, but we only scratched the surface If you if you listen or you have any questions or comments or you can email us at incomplete geeks at gmail.com. That’s an Incomplete Geeks podcast. Yeah, we go at gmail.com. We love to hear from you. If you have any suggestions for future episodes we want to hear about, let us know if.
01:18:34:06 – 01:18:44:09
Nick
Ten people email in and say we want us to do like a live watching event. I’ll do it fast. Yeah, I’ll do it. But yeah. Oh.
01:18:44:22 – 01:18:46:04
Jon
That would take a long time.
01:18:46:08 – 01:18:47:22
Nick
Episode of Lost or something.
01:18:48:15 – 01:18:57:21
Jon
If you would. If and it’s a long form TV show you have to episode. Could you imagine watching Game of Thrones one episode like in season five? Yeah. Not having seen anything else.
01:18:57:24 – 01:19:15:18
Nick
I think if you’d like to connect with us on social media, we are on Instagram and TikTok at Incomplete Geeks. Yep, that’s it. I was like, That’s the only socials we’re plugging now because yes, we want people to meet us in there.
01:19:16:10 – 01:19:23:16
Jon
Please do not get to give this episode a positive rating. Give it a like show with your friends. If you know anybody who likes Lost.
01:19:24:03 – 01:19:31:11
Nick
Give it us. Give it a share. Even if you don’t actually it with people like in Spotify or Apple Podcasts, share it.
01:19:31:15 – 01:19:32:01
Jon
With me.
01:19:32:16 – 01:19:49:23
Nick
And then like it doesn’t matter because that would really help us because not like it might send some signals that like everyone’s talking about these guys, I was talking about these guys. They’ve got a and it will, it will serve our gay geek content to other ways gay geek glee inclined people. That’s a good point on the platform.
01:19:49:23 – 01:19:56:04
Nick
I don’t know if it works, but it’s worth a try. Yeah, but a review would be smashing. Yeah, give us a good one. A good bloody good one.
01:19:56:15 – 01:20:00:09
Jon
Would be Subscribe to this channel on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or Amazon, whichever.
01:20:00:09 – 01:20:03:16
Nick
Please, and let us know what you want us to talk about.
01:20:04:08 – 01:20:13:12
Jon
Because as much as I do know about this TV show, I probably forgot some things. There’s a lot of details. I probably missed something and of course.
01:20:13:20 – 01:20:24:12
Nick
I don’t know fucking anything, you know, I guess. Yeah. I don’t fucking know anything about this.
01:20:24:12 – 01:20:28:21
Jon
You don’t know anything. Because as much as we try to be, which is we’re not complete geeks.
01:20:28:21 – 01:20:29:22
Nick
But we are working on it.
01:20:30:00 – 01:20:32:10
Jon
We are indeed. Yes. So thanks for listening.
01:20:32:10 – 01:20:33:16
Nick
Bye bye.
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